The Measurement Diagrams will be updated soon.
Please check the charts and let us know if any of your preferred measurements have been left out.
First, here are the points on the body that are used to take measurements.
Download from this link: https://bitbucket.org/valentinateam/valentina/downloads/measurement-body-points_20160417.svg
Second, here are the Valentina measurements.
There are lots. Lots and Lots. Which means you get to do it your way. We didn’t select one pattern making system and restrict you to using only those measurements. You can design your patterns the way you want, using whatever book or method you wish, and you can implement the tricks you created on your own. You can select the measurements you want to use, and only use those.
Of course, when 3D scans are readily available and our 3D processing software is complete, these points will be located on the scan and all 260+ measurements will be populated from the scan. At that point any designer using any system can use your measurement file to create patterns and clothing. And any customer can send you their scan and you can make custom-fit clothes for them, you’ll have all the measurements you need. (If you have comments about 3D, please make a separate thread! :D)
But in the meantime…
Download from this link: https://bitbucket.org/valentinateam/valentina/downloads/measurement-body-diagram_20160407.svg
I have two requests:
J Bust: Neck Front to Bustpoint
Q Patternmaking measurements: Dart Width: Armhole
Both are from the Suzy Furrer patternmaking book. Thanks!
Dart Width: Armhole is now in the list of new measurement fields.
Neck front to bustpoint was added earlier, at your suggestion.
(But I still haven’t ordered the Suzy Furrer book, it’s a bit expensive. )
I created all 300+ measurements on a 3D avatar some years ago. All working in realtime as the user adjusts the shape of their avatar. At the moment I am repeating a similar task on an open source avatar, with hull (tape) shape dimensions and also body surface dimensions. (No time frame as it’s an internal house project) Then you dial up your population / market base, or individual user, allow an algorithm to generate all the fit body shape types using just weight, age, height, sex and 3 measurements or a photo imported to fit the avatar. All done to work with realtime 2D pattern making - no garment parametric’s (dimensions) are required so a user can just draft a pattern with no pattern system experience, as the body avatar drives a single pattern design you style/draft. Then you just hit export new pattern to your avatar size, place in any ease, etc and and all your 2D patterns are generated.
When I created the landmarks on the avatar, the biggest problem is that they shift on the base mesh (slide) based on the body shape and skeletal structure. Most 3D scans have these out (unbelievably) by as much as 1-3cm. So accurate landmarks are crucial on the 3D avatar to get good measurements - this was a mistake bodyhub made. So I built in another set of algorithms tied to surface (skin) morphs that allow the marker to slide based on the body type. (Had to generate hundreds of 3D bodies across 5th-95th percentiles) I also built a catalog of body types using googles AI search tools and a bucket of fasion/anthropometric/ pattern drafting terms that I re-engineered so that there was a language and comprehension between bodyshape-pattern-style-spec sheets. That actually took quite a bit of time as there are 30,000 you have to consider in the taxonomy of body language and garment design. In the end it works pretty well > accurate to +/- 3mm. Inhouse tool unfortunately.
Super! Which public hosting service (bitbucket or github or other) are you using where the source code can be viewed & contributed to openly ( e.g. ability for the public to contribute is what makes it open source), and what is your open source license?
That sounds very interesting. I would like to know more about it.
Nice! Can I make measurements from scans got from Artec studio? We get accurate scanners with it, but I’m not sure about scale and possibility of measurements…
Scans are “relatively” easy to take as they are a point cloud of thousands of unrelated (x,y,z) points, and the better the equipment the more accurate the point cloud will be (less noise, etc.)
But the process to convert the unorganized point cloud into a “water-tight” solid and then extract usable data is complex.
We haven’t developed our software to perform this function yet, but if Artec Studio has provided you software to manipulate their scans perhaps you can contact them regarding the potential of their code in this area.
I was interested in this, since I got my own body scan from 3d fitness. I actually have the data in an obj file and reading the file and doing something useful is on my fantasy to do list. I am not planning to use Artec Studio any time soon because they are a bit pricey for me.
There is a book I found which offers very interesting and precise methods to draw different areas of the pattern. Here are some measurements used:
- Front-back neck diameter (from neck back to neck front directly)
- Several measurements of back length, made over a ruler which is fixed over scapula points:
- a) From neck back to scapula level
- b) From neck back to armfold back level
- c) From neck back to bust level
- d) From neck back to waist level
- Between scapula points
- Scapula to neck side
- Scapula to shoulder point
- Arc between armfolds over shoulder point (there are measurements from both armfolds to shoulder point, this will be the sum)
- Diameter of upper arm (vertically from Upper Arm circumference level to shoulder point)
Here is picture for diameters
There are also these measurments describing hips configuration, I don’t know how to explain them so I just attach the picture
@krolich Are these measurements that you are currently using in making your patterns?
Can you translate the name of the book, the book’s author, the publisher, and year that it was published?
Some of these measurements are not very practical (difficult to take) without some kind of 3d avatar or special equipment, so I don’t use them yet.
I use 3, 4, 5 and 6 (+ similar for bust point which Valentina already has) and that’s my favorite way to make darts
The book is “Garment construction (theory and practice)” by L. P. Shershnyova and L. V. Lar’kina. Moskow, FORUM - INFRA-M, 2006
“Конструирование одежды (теория и практика)” Л. П. Шершнёва, Л. В. Ларькина. Москва ФОРУМ - ИНФРА-М 2006
Wow, you really use scapula points!
Ok, for the measurements that you actually use:
If these measurements are NOT included in Valentina measurements as shown in the images on the wiki,
and if these measurements are NOT derivable from existing Valentina measurements,
then please write up exactly what you need and create a new thread about these measurements.
I don’t really understand what exactly should I describe about these measurements? The points used are already in Valentina system, I simply use the distance between them (measured on body surface). It feels like I said all I could
Also I made a mistake, I don’t need 4, sorry. Neck side is used in another step of the algorithm
So… you need 3 measurements to be added into Valentina measurements.
Your previous posts contained descriptions and drawings of measurements that you DON’T need.
Please, would you list specifically which additional measurements you DO need with the image for each? I realize that you have described these measurements earlier in this thread. However, it’s important for me not to make any assumptions, so I need your help.
Please restate only the measurements that you need. Include the description of each measurement, how to take each of these measurements, and include the drawing for each, in order to prevent implementation errors.
There is frequently slang and idiom involved in body measurement names, so if you can be crystal clear with the measurement descriptions, the images, and the directions on how to take these measurements, then this will ensure good results.
Please don’t think that I am upset, I am only asking for clear information, as a lot of ideas and discussion regarding measurements is assumed to be obvious.
So I always ask for measurement requests to be stated as succinctly as possible, in order to exclude idiom and slang.
Also it is very important that the technique of taking the measurement is described perfectly, to distinguish it from measurements which are similar but not an exact match.
So please forgive the need to ask you to re-state your request for new measurements. No one is angry, we just need the information to be as clear as possible. I will create the new drawings and descriptions, variable names, etc. Please help me to do this by providing more info. Thanks.
I understand, sorry, I’m just slow with this. I also plan to make a couple of short tutorials and am just a little overwhelmed
Believe me, Roman and I completely understand!
is it posible to somebody to add a mesurment.
J11 -center neck to Bustpoint
You should talk with @slpencer.